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Re: Palm Pre suggestions from another board
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Palm Pre suggestions from another board
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avdspm
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Posts: 2
Registered: 11-03-2009
Treo 650 (Verizon)

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I couldn't help but notice a post from everythingpre.com on suggestions to Palm for their next Pre. I've actually cut and paste this here because I thought it was good. I hope Palm that you've seen this and may consider this as I feel the exact same way: (taken from www.everythingpre.com/forum/palm-pre/suggestions-what-palm-should-do-to-overpass-competition-24556-3.html) I've been a big Pre fan for a long time. I've owned many of the palm based devices over the course of my career and really enjoyed the stability of them. I do feel, however, that while I await for this phone to arrive on Verizon (I cannot leave Verizon at this time), I am becoming skeptical as well, regarding what they will come out with and when. For Palm to win back a huge fan base again, they would need to *surpass* the latest and greatest phone and capabilities out there. Simply re-creating the same hardware that is out there is not going to do the trick. Many people want the iphone and many are now gearing up for droid, all because their hardware is better (or at least their marketing teams convey that very well).
For Palm to win - they would need to create a new Pre (and I mean fast - like the next release in early 2010 for Verizon fast) that has a much larger screen, slightly larger keyboard (I actually prefer this keyboard layout rather than the wide sideways one, but it needs to be slightly larger), 8MP camera with 720p video recording and playback! Yes, I'm not exaggerating - this is possible with the hardware they have in that phone! If you think I'm kidding - do research on the Omnia HD in Europe - a phone that won't come to the U.S. in it's prime. (the version the U.S. received was a windoze mobile version with stripped down features, called the Omnia II) That phone has the same OMAP processor and it's been an eye catcher!
I actually think Web OS is very nice, but it's not just the OS. If I have a phone in one hand with a 5MP camera and another in the other hand with 3MP camera - which phone do I want to buy? Did I even look at the OS? (as a consumer - I'm going with 5MP, especially when it's at the same price - why shouldn't I?)
Look, Palm, I hope you are reading these forums. I want to see your product succeed like no other. Heck, the iphone is great, but I know that of all companies right now, you are actually the closest to creating a pda/phone that could compete with the iphone. I still think that while the droid hardware is going to be more powerful (or capable), I don't like the interface for Android - it's just not as polished as webos or even the iPhone.
Palm, I see you're hiring many people to really make this thing better, but believe us when we say that you should not release a device that ends up just matching some other hardware - you must surpass it completely. If you don't, then it's just a few weeks away before someone leap-frogs you. I still think you have a shot, but this upcoming year may be your last one. Scrap the Pixi - stop wasting money on a phone that has less capabilities than the Pre. Let the Pre be the Pixi with smaller hardware/size/etc. Create the Pre II (2) that's larger, more powerful and will have more features than any other phone out there. It's the only way you're going to win.
Oh... and if I have to pay a little more for a phone that does alot more, I'm still interested. People paid more (and still do - with the AT&T service plan) for the iPhone because it rocked (and still does). Consumers will pay a little more if it's the best phone out there. You come out with a phone with better hardware all around for even $100 more, I believe that's going to win! Lower the price once everyone has the 1st version, so you can release the 2nd version. Oh, and don't ever release a new phone on Sprint again. Are you kidding? Did you really think that was going to be as successful as releasing it on a network like Verizon?
Good luck! Post relates to: Treo 650 (Verizon)
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11-03-2009 09:51 AM
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Re: Palm Pre suggestions from another board
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McEric
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Posts: 6
Registered: 10-29-2009
Pre p100ueu (O2)

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I don't think palm has to build a new pre. The actual pre is their top-of-the-line model, the pixi will settle in the consumer mass market. so palm will rather have to concentrate on developing webOS and supporting these devices with better drivers, for example for the graphic acceleration chip. almost no1 of pre owners really want an 8mp camera with hd video recording and such stuff. those who need such things better buy one out of hundreds of nokia or samsung toys of which not a single one makes more than 2 things right.. just my 2 cents and excuse me for my english :-) eric Message Edited by McEric on 11-03-2009 11:23 AM
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11-03-2009 11:22 AM
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Re: Palm Pre suggestions from another board
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avdspm
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Posts: 2
Registered: 11-03-2009
Treo 650 (Verizon)

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To make a statement that no pre owners really want an 8mp camera is first, unsubstantiated and second, is incorrect. If you held two palm pre's in your hand - one with an 8mp camera and another with a 3mp camera, you're actually going to try and convince the world that you'd rather have the 3mp camera? Besides, you're completely missing the point. If you want to succeed, as stated above, you will never do so with outdated hardware. I don't care how sophisticated the OS is, if you don't compare hardware for hardware, you will lose. This happens everywhere, all the time. Anything projected in the industry today, through good marketing, will always highlight these figures and it is these things which will win customers over. If you don't believe me, then try to explain why the DROID phone is getting so many rave reviews before consumers have even had an opportunity to hold the device or see the OS? It's because of how it was marketed- look at the droid/verizon commercial. Tell me where exactly do you see any pictures of the device or the OS? All they did was tout how much better the phone was through hardware comparisons. I've worked in enough marketing firms to realize this is the case. Besides, even if you get a user base to buy your product, you'll make it worse when people start posting everywhere how slow the device is. In addition, your coment on "those who need such things better buy one out of hundreds of nokia or samsung toys" is exactly the mentality you can have if you want to run a company into the ground. Go ahead and try to make money by telling someone who is looking for a device, that they should stop looking at your own and start looking at others. Brilliant. Reminds me of the stubborn linux community that wonders why Linux isn't on everyone's desktop but every time you ask a question, they go and tell you you're an idiot and you shouldn't be running linux if you can't figure it out. (in case you're wondering, I also run plenty of linux flavors on my systems) We can certainly go back and forth if you like, but ultimately, as history repeats itself many times over with the same situation -get a device that outperforms, outshines, and has more beefed up hardware than any other device; throw webos on there, and market it the right way (stop it already with the weird woman) and this device will win. You're very close, but close doesn't win it..... Might I remind you that I'm rooting for Palm? I've used Palm for many years and I would love to see them succeed more than anyone.
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11-03-2009 03:43 PM
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Re: Palm Pre suggestions from another board
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netwrkr9
Contributor
Posts: 41
Registered: 07-23-2009
Pre p100eww (Sprint)

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Anybody that knows anything about digital photography knows that photo quality is determined by the size of the sensor, not how many megapixels you cram into the chip. Even the cheap point and shoot cameras put the best camera phones to shame. The problem is that there is just limited space in a smartphone and photography is just not on top of the list of what most people expect or want from there devices, besides, there are cameras out there that takes excellent pics and shoots HQ video when needed. What most people want is a smartphone that COMMUNICATES well, they can check email, surf the web, text and make phone calls. They want them to be fast and efficient, to be able to get work done, listen to music, search and find things when they are away from their home or work computers. The iphone does not even have a flash, but people still love it . Why? Because it is good at doing many things (after 2 years they finally got MMS). Me, taking pictures is way down the list of what I want from a phone.
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11-04-2009 10:36 AM
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Re: Palm Pre suggestions from another board
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Hellweek
Super Contributor
Posts: 300
Registered: 07-04-2009
Pre p100eww (Sprint)

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McEric wrote:
I don't think palm has to build a new pre. The actual pre is their top-of-the-line model, the pixi will settle in the consumer mass market. so palm will rather have to concentrate on developing webOS and supporting these devices with better drivers, for example for the graphic acceleration chip. almost no1 of pre owners really want an 8mp camera with hd video recording and such stuff. those who need such things better buy one out of hundreds of nokia or samsung toys of which not a single one makes more than 2 things right.. just my 2 cents and excuse me for my english :-) eric Message Edited by McEric on 11-03-2009 11:23 AM
I dont see how the Pixi will be an entry level device unless they give it away. The Pre can be had for 99 bucks. That is dirt cheap and shows Palm needs to create a better phone.
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11-04-2009 11:12 AM
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